Man, I think where the economy is right now is pretty good. Yes, it takes a while to make money but it's realistic. No everyone walks around with 10k+ in their bank account. The grind is real!
There are a lot of people that have a lot of assets in the server, so I think I'll disagree with you here. Perhaps your experience has been that you can't make money off of hotdogs (Which is a more RP-oriented job, maybe it could be bumped a bit), but if you make some money and play it into some of the markets (Crypto, etc) you can make money. Various people are already driving around in 200-300k vehicles, and many have a very decent amount of savings and investments. You start with enough money to buy a basic starter vehicle and some supplies; and can easily make enough money to RP.Alright, I'm gonna say it: Personally, I think it's the worst economy I've ever seen. Grinding is not RP (caveat being unless you do it with someone else or it's part of your character's story), and if you don't want people to grind gopostal or garbage, make the other jobs more rewarding. I think the reward vs time wasted on civ jobs is horrible and needs to be better balanced. Fishing and hot dog selling especially, my god...6 IRL hours of pure hot dog making should not result in me ruining the hot dog 9/10 times. That's so unfair, and it feels like a slap in the face. It might sound dramatic but after I realized I had spent 6 hours trying to sell a hot dog and had only made about 400 dollars, I actually wanted to cry. I wanted that to be my character's thing, selling hot dogs to both locals and people, but in the end I had to give up because it was just NOT worth it on the local end. (Civ end? Totally worth it, I LOOOVE the interaction I've gotten from doing it!)
The admins need to understand that the easier it is to obtain money, the less grinding will happen. I never grinded in another server where you could easily make New Day's equivalent of 2-2.5k in an hour (or usually more like 5k tbh). Which currently, you can only make if you zoom through garbage or have put 20-30+ IRL hours into fishing, which is a complete and utter waste of your time on Earth if you ask me. The skill and leveling system needs to be rebalanced for fishing, hunting, and hot dog making, and desperately so. Does it have to be 2k an hour right off the bat? Maybe not, but nobody should have to wait 20+ hours to see any significant return on their time lost standing at the beach alone, wishing they were RPing with other people instead.
My suggestion for fishing would be, maybe every 10-20 successful minigame completions, you get a much higher chance at catching a fish, and that getting to the point where you're consistently catching fish (like 50-50 chance or 60-40) shouldn't take any more than 5 hours max, assuming you successfully complete the minigame 70-80% of the time. And hot dog selling should honestly only take like 30 minutes to an hour before you're proficient at it. The prices of hot dogs can stay the same honestly, but please make your chances of successfully cooking a hot dog WAY higher. Will it mean a bunch of people are gonna be riding around in slightly better cars? Yeah maybe, but given the community, I don't think having it easier to make money is going to ruin the RP. It just means you'll see less people at the pier.
TL;DR realism =/= grinding, civ jobs + reward - time spent = less grind/more RP
I agree but when the palm goes up the economy will be devastated people are going to be selling things for so much. People have upwards off 300 coins realistically the palm should have gone up weeks ago with the amount that people were buying.
But it's different. I can agree if someone fishes for 16 hours and makes 50k+ that's just dumb. The more you sell the less you should make or you should be limited on how much you can catch. But here's the thing, I made 8k for doing trash routes for 2 hours. I do this every time right when I get on. Of course, it's going to be a grind to get the money it's how the world works. You can definitely have enough money to Rp with the jobs that are currently offered to you. Josh I pretty much never have money because I give it away all the time and I still have a great time.
There are other ways of making decent money, but my point was nobody should be having to waste so much IRL time in a civ job. Those hours should be spent RPing; networking, making friends, making enemies, annoying the cops, kissing the cops' asses, getting mad at pool, having nightmares about the 8 ball, drinking, smoking, etc. Just because some people are driving in high end cars and managed to score 200-300k doesn't mean that it still isn't extremely grindy. In fact, I've heard people outright boast about how they afforded those cars, and it was very quickly overnight, and it was not through RP. It's always "I grinded garbage" "I grinded postal". It's never, "I scored a sick business deal" or "so and so paid me 10k to beat them with a pool cue". There's only one person I asked who made their money through RP, and it's a stripper.
I sell hotdogs and i get all kinds of RP. You can Do these "Grinding jobs" That you call it and still rp properly. It is what you make of it. Shoot i use this time to promote my BMX group too. So in the end, yes they can be grindy i guess, but you make your own rp.There are other ways of making decent money, but my point was nobody should be having to waste so much IRL time in a civ job. Those hours should be spent RPing; networking, making friends, making enemies, annoying the cops, kissing the cops' asses, getting mad at pool, having nightmares about the 8 ball, drinking, smoking, etc. Just because some people are driving in high end cars and managed to score 200-300k doesn't mean that it still isn't extremely grindy. In fact, I've heard people outright boast about how they afforded those cars, and it was very quickly overnight, and it was not through RP. It's always "I grinded garbage" "I grinded postal". It's never, "I scored a sick business deal" or "so and so paid me 10k to beat them with a pool cue". There's only one person I asked who made their money through RP, and it's a stripper.
My experience as someone who gave up on the grind fairly early on and focuses solely on RP, is literally the only money I make is through robbing houses and a certain type of male specimen who like to throw money at cute girls because they go "uwu". Oh, and UBI. Which funds almost all of my 16k. Am I fine with this 16k? I actually am, but it doesn't change the fact that I'd need to set aside maybe 6 hours for pure grinding if I wanted to double that in a legal manner that wouldn't involve brow-beating Ziggy Star into giving me 1k again for my """services""".
I also don't understand why getting a vehicle you really want has to be the end all do all in these arguments? There's so much more that people want but that would take literally hundreds of hours doing nothing but civ job grinding to get. That's hundreds of hours they could be getting that money through other ways, which they should, but not everyone has those opportunities. In fact, getting what you want IC has absolutely no real weight in this argument. It's not about what your character wants or even what you want for your character, it's about the time spent in the server and how it's spent, and it disheartens me greatly knowing that I'd have to spend hours and hours of precious time doing something completely mind-numbing like go postal if I wanted a guarantee bank account increase. Why is why I don't do it. Because I'm not here for mind numbing games, I'm here for RP. So I have to stay doing house robberies if I want any income, because that's at least fun and I don't feel like I'm wasting my time even if I only get a few lockpicks and one watch.
But...You just proved my point. You grind for 2 hours when you could be actually RPing. "That's how the world works" is not an argument at all. A realism server doesn't mean we need to replicate the horrible practices of capitalism IRL. I'd never stay on a server that made me feel like I did working barely above minimum wage and being able to afford fuck all, because that's what we call a waste of my damn time.......Can you tell I worked in fast food?
Collecting trash is rp tho. If you don’t wanna “waste time” then don’t.There are other ways of making decent money, but my point was nobody should be having to waste so much IRL time in a civ job. Those hours should be spent RPing; networking, making friends, making enemies, annoying the cops, kissing the cops' asses, getting mad at pool, having nightmares about the 8 ball, drinking, smoking, etc. Just because some people are driving in high end cars and managed to score 200-300k doesn't mean that it still isn't extremely grindy. In fact, I've heard people outright boast about how they afforded those cars, and it was very quickly overnight, and it was not through RP. It's always "I grinded garbage" "I grinded postal". It's never, "I scored a sick business deal" or "so and so paid me 10k to beat them with a pool cue". There's only one person I asked who made their money through RP, and it's a stripper.
My experience as someone who gave up on the grind fairly early on and focuses solely on RP, is literally the only money I make is through robbing houses and a certain type of male specimen who like to throw money at cute girls because they go "uwu". Oh, and UBI. Which funds almost all of my 16k. Am I fine with this 16k? I actually am, but it doesn't change the fact that I'd need to set aside maybe 6 hours for pure grinding if I wanted to double that in a legal manner that wouldn't involve brow-beating Ziggy Star into giving me 1k again for my """services""".
I also don't understand why getting a vehicle you really want has to be the end all do all in these arguments? There's so much more that people want but that would take literally hundreds of hours doing nothing but civ job grinding to get. That's hundreds of hours they could be getting that money through other ways, which they should, but not everyone has those opportunities. In fact, getting what you want IC has absolutely no real weight in this argument. It's not about what your character wants or even what you want for your character, it's about the time spent in the server and how it's spent, and it disheartens me greatly knowing that I'd have to spend hours and hours of precious time doing something completely mind-numbing like go postal if I wanted a guarantee bank account increase. Why is why I don't do it. Because I'm not here for mind numbing games, I'm here for RP. So I have to stay doing house robberies if I want any income, because that's at least fun and I don't feel like I'm wasting my time even if I only get a few lockpicks and one watch.
But...You just proved my point. You grind for 2 hours when you could be actually RPing. "That's how the world works" is not an argument at all. A realism server doesn't mean we need to replicate the horrible practices of capitalism IRL. I'd never stay on a server that made me feel like I did working barely above minimum wage and being able to afford fuck all, because that's what we call a waste of my damn time.......Can you tell I worked in fast food?
I get tons of RP from selling to other players but not to locals, and yes you can make your own RP. But none of this still changes that it's unbalanced.
I see that government workers did get a minor pay raise today, about $60 more per hour.
Everybody got a $10 raise across the board. Over time, WL roles will always make more because they're passive
Soo, I should main GoPostal? Two hours of my wage as EMS is less than two hours of GoPostal once you've worked at it enough which just seems silly to me.
Again, one job is passive vs active. You get paid no matter if you're moving or interacting with people or what. Like I said, PD and EMS typically end up the richest in the long term in RP communities. I've personally made $100,000 from my job, and I don't grind the hell out of it.
